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Video of the unveil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQGcD0TJvw
Fast forward to about 22 minutes in and they start talking
A little after 33 minutes in is when they reveal it -
Velly intellesting!Comment
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Very nice! Seems to be a hint of Italy in the design. I like it! (Too bad I can't afford it!)
JoelThere is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life. - Frank ZappaComment
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They can put one in my garage.Comment
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I'm surprised no one has chimed in with the usual comments:
1. Big deal, GM is only able to build cars like this due to the government bailout (Government Motors) We all know the government has been responsible for the research and development of this car.
2. GM uses too much plastic in their interiors. (it's ok when BMW or other companies use even more of it, though).
3. The GT500 with a few tweaks is just as good.
4. I can take a car and modify it at a fraction of what this costs and beat it.
5. Pushrod motors are antique. Double Overhead Cam technology is the way to go.
6. Ford didn't take any government money so I will never buy a GM.
7. Yeah...my GT500 won't handle as well, but nobody cares how a car handles. What counts is what a car does in the 1/4 mile.Comment
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1. Hows the volt in sales.
2. This interiors not bad...but needs more buttons to push.
3. The GT 500 has more seats and has no IRS, different class of car.
4. If I had that much money probably would just buy the vette.
5. Awesome what gm has done with pushrods and direct injection.
6. Everybody got a bailout so I will stick to buying Toyotas.
7. All I care about is 1/4 mile but both are out of my price range.
But in all seriousness it is a bad ass car, but the looks need a little getting use to.Comment
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How much does it cost? I may win the lottery.Drag Racing,just you,me,and the tree!!Comment
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Here's some info on the C7 from corvetteforums.com
Who knows if all that is legit but some if it is very interesting.....
I got into a bunch of stuff online...talkin to people, etc. I found some good info, much of what's not been stated anywhere, and it's 110% directly from an engineer in GM....no question.
A bunch of facts I learned...
Tunability and mods
1. The C7 ECM will not be tunable for aftermarket mods. The world of computer people will say...hahaha...but, they seem pretty damn certain. But, they elaborated to say...you won't need nor want to...hmmm
2. The ecm will automatically adapt to basic modifications to make optimum output...intake, headers, etc.
3. The ecm can adapt and tune itself to optimum standards for a cam as well...but duration and lift max couldn't be stated
4. So how will it do that...it appears by all indications that these cars will monitor egt, and seemingly have a wideband on board.
5. Put the wrong aftermarket part on the car and it goes into 4 cylinder mode until the dealership reconnects it via encrypted link, or you take the part off.
Comparison to LS3
1. Aside from internal short block geometry (VOLUME/LITER/SPACE/BORE), nothing is the same. They felt the short block was adequate for the head design/mass flow targets, while providing longevity and reliability.
I have a ton of technical insight about piston design, taper, analysis about ringland longevity, etc....if anyone is interested. For most...they don't care...lol.
The literal statement from the engineer was... "if LS3 had a wet dream, its wet dream be the 2014 LT1"
The thing all of you...NEARLY all of you are missing here, is that PEAK POWER, doesn't mean anything! NOTHING. It's how the engine makes power across the entire curve that will matter.
About the HP ratings...
A certain individual made some intent speculations stating we need a 500hp base Corvette, a 600+hp Z06 and a 700+ ZR1 and the engineer responded..."nice estimates"....hard to say what it meant, but the way he stated it in the post was interesting.
It was directly stated that E85 takes this motor up a big notch...period. I don't want to start hearing people spouting off what they believe/think they know about E85. As a guy who tuned engine management on E85 from the day it went to market, I will say I am exhausted arguing with people over ethanol.
The combustion engineer said 40-80hp over its rating on gasoline when running E85...that's all he could say. +4, -4 degrees of ignition timing, changes in cam timing...the end.
-He confirmed 450hp is NOT the number...it IS HIGHER FOR SURE.
-He confirmed this motor matches the LS7 to 4000 rpm.
-He confirmed there are multiple other versions of the LT1 underway...and it has....drum roll....variable VALVE lift and/or duration. It's a cam within a cam design that can change lobes...but he didn't state how. I can tell you from my involvement with Honda's...people make jokes about VTEC, but if you felt a 1.8 liter DOHC VTEC engine cross over cam lobes with a GT35 turbo bolted to it...you'd never doubt how damn good it is.
-To further talk about how much torque this engine makes...they have had issues building an automatic transmission to hold it. Don't know if this is good or bad for the auto guys...but tells you why they definitely have that standard auto tranny cooler in the C7...it needs it!
Some specific statements were made...and I'd like to repeat them...these are about this Corvette...and apparently the monstrosity to come...
"GM knows what it is doing they heard the call for more performance/output. It is there and more is coming. I cannot and will not comment further."
"The mere shape & contour and flatness of the oil gallery is a clue for this engine true purpose will be going forward. We are entering a new realm of power concerning OEM performance."
In reference of a car to come...ZR1 or Z06
"the power level is a first in mass production and you will have to sign additional paper work during purchasing the vehicle and just maybe mandatory performance classes may be required. "
"Performance isn't dying and isn't peaking.... the 2014 LT1 true intention isn't Normal Aspiration."
"..we determine that we could trick the 376cu in engine into thinking its a big block chevy this was possibly only by VVT. So we ended up with a small block with a identity problem that thinks its a big block chevy in torque"
"Those pesky other "supercars" are no longer an issue. The GAP is significant. And room left on the table for you gear heads. Your welcome. So with that said, surprise awaits. I cannot and will elaborate more."
"The only thing that is off limits in the E92 ECM is Fuel tables and High Pressure Solenoid Fuel tables. There isn't really any bad news given, this is going to be a fun engine for the aftermarket and regular consumer. Everyone will win in the end."
I'll finish with a statement that made me really pumped. I read this, and was like....there it is...the money shot...
The engineer stated that the upcoming motor they are testing now has the ability to use it's variable cam to allow the motor to cycle air with no load. He then stated it also can perform a function that allows a mild combustion cycle to occur in the exhaust manifold for a reason he couldn't talk about!.....If any of you tune cars...you KNOW what that means...YOU KNOW!
That's called anti-lag....i.e. developed by rally racers years back to build boost while kicking the clutch in a turn. Turbo's only build boost under load...unless you tune in anti-lag.
I tuned this into drag cars for years...I knew instantly! I'd retard ignition timing 40 degrees then dump big fuel mixed with a two step...shoots flames out the exhausts and will build huge boost on the line. This sounds violent in a wicked car....generally used for launch control! BAM! Turbo Corvette!!!
He also spoke about Koenigsegg...uses a twin turbo that makes gross power on E85 versus gasoline...found it interesting he brought up the Koenigsegg. Turbo ZR1 is comin...I called this LONG ago...
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The C7 is very nice looking but I am sure the Blue oval people are trashing it.Comment
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:banana smile:Comment
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Noice!Comment
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I will take a Laguna Blue one, oh hell I will take all of them.:laughing smile:Comment
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