toyota's on fire

[98 cobra s/c]

Damn toyota's are now having serious engine fire issues. No recalls yet but some 350k cars are affected. Hey glenn, you are slipping on your toyota bashing!

[MR.hp]

Burn baby, Burn.

[HOTCIVIC]

Toyota sucks ass

[kelly andersen]

Yup, 2007's, funny toyota sucks ass,but the 06-07 trailblazers are having the same problem in the drivers door, must be suck ass switchs they bought form some U.S. supplier. what does that tell you. Every toyota I have had has gone 250k+ plus miles,and I have never had to stick a dime into any one of them except routine stuff(alt.,brakes ect.) To each his own.

[Z28SSMAN]

Sounds like you've had a good experience with Toyota's, Kelly. No offense but I've heard similar testimonies about 'em over the years.

"never had to stick a dime into it" (except the same items you'd replace on any other make)
"Toyota's don't break"
"Toyota's run forever"
"Most dependable car I've ever had"
"You only have to drive a Toyota, because they don't ever need anything"

Anyway... the only problem? Go to a Toyota dealership on a Monday morning and they're lined up in the service aisle just as much if not more than any other make. I see people spend hundreds and even thousands on service items on their Toyota's and turn around and say they never had to do anything to them.

My next door neighbor has said the same thing about his Toyota. His wife tells a different story though. He says the car is bulletproof while his wife (who pays the bills) seems to feel she'd like to put a bullet in it. She's always complaining about the amount of money she has to spend on Toyota's required maintenance items.

The bottom line? The fiction has finally caught up with reality on Toyota. They've had more recalls than any other manufacturer. I'm talking MILLIONS--not thousands. But after all the recalls...the Toyota loyalists will still turn around and say..."it's the most dependable car on the road".

This guy thought his Tundra was better than any other truck. I can also show you plenty of pics like it and frames sitting outside service departments that have been replaced.

[Z28SSMAN]

Toyota Narrowly Misses Third Year Atop Recall List

Overall, recalls down for 2011.

by Paul A. Eisenstein on Dec.30, 2011
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Toyota recalled 200,000 Sienna minivans in 2011, the third year in a row in which it topped the U.S. recall list, with 3.5 million of its vehicles impacted overall.

Editor’s Note: This story has been revised to reflect a last-minute Honda action and final federal recall numbers for 2011.
It isn’t always good to be number one, as Toyota clearly understands. While it slipped from first to third in the global automotive sales sweepstakes when the books are closed on 2011 the Japanese giant might be more pleased that it narrowly missed having the most recalls of any automaker in the U.S. for the third year in a row.
That dubious distinction now goes to Honda, which expanded its ongoing series of airbag defect-related actions to end the year having recalled 3.8 million vehicles. Honda closed 2011 with 15 separate campaigns compared to Toyota’s still sizable 13.
Despite the maker’s claim that it has put its quality and safety problems behind it, Toyota — and its Scion and Lexus brands — still were forced to recall 3.5 million vehicles this past year, significantly more than the third-highest manufacturer on the government’s list. And that doesn’t include a sizable number of vehicles for which the maker issued technical service bulletins, which encouraged dealers to fix nagging problems that didn’t wind up getting tallied on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s formal recall chart.


In all, automakers recalled 15.5 million light vehicles in 2011, according to an analysis by WardsAuto, a sharp decline from the 20 million year before when the industry – largely due to Toyota — saw callbacks jump to 17.2 million cars, trucks and crossovers. Toyota alone had 7 million vehicles involved in its 2010 campaigns. The worst year for the auto industry was 2000 when 24.3 million vehicles were involved in safety-related recalls.
By 2008, however, manufacturers seemed to be getting things under control, the number of vehicles affected by safety-related problems slipping to just 7.7 million.
Long known for what analysts and automotive journalists would frequently describe as “bullet-proof” quality, Toyota ran into quicksand in late 2009 following a highly-publicized crash that took the life of a California Highway Patrol officer and several family members. The accident was blamed on loose floor mats that jammed the accelerator in the Lexus the trooper was driving. After initially hesitating, Toyota eventually recalled millions of vehicles to deal with “carpet entrapment.”
The situation grew worse when a second recall related to so-called “unintended acceleration” was announced, this one because of potentially sticky throttles. Ultimately, the two issues impacted over 10 million vehicles worldwide. But millions more Toyota, Lexus and Scion products were recalled for a variety of other issues ranging from steering problems to excessive corrosion that could lead to parts falling off an affected vehicle while driving.
Further embarrassing the industry giant, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration accused Toyota of illegally delaying action on several safety-related issues and leveled record fines against the Japanese giant.
With CEO Akio Toyoda proclaiming quality and safety critical issues – and with the company appointing a U.S. quality czar – things began to turnaround but Toyota still faced a variety of nagging issues during the first half of 2011. Of the 3.5 million vehicles covered by safety actions this year, six in 10 were recalled during the first half. Only two campaigns were announced since the end of June – and the most recent, involving 200,000 Sienna minivans, centered around improper tire inflation information posted in the door jams of the people movers.
Nonetheless, industry analysts say the recall issue couldn’t have occurred at a worse time for Toyota as the maker was only barely beginning to recover when, last March, Japan was slammed by a record earthquake and tsunami that crippled the island nation’s auto industry. Toyota production was only beginning to return to normal levels when, in October, record floods struck Thailand setting back Toyota’s recovery efforts once again.
The maker has lost about 2.5 points of market share in the U.S. for 2011, a massive figure in an industry where manufacturers will fight viciously over a tenth of a point of share. With competitors like Ford and Hyundai stressing their own quality efforts, analysts like Aaron Bragman, of IHS Automotive, warn that it will be difficult for Toyota to regain its once-lustrous image. In turn, that is forcing the maker to reach record levels of spending on incentives.
Of course, Toyota wasn’t the only automaker facing recall problems this past year. In terms of individual actions, General Motors led the pack, according to the WardsAuto analysis, with 21 separate recalls – though they impacted only about 456,000 vehicles.
Ford had the third-highest figure in terms of vehicles recalled, at 3.2 million, in 10 separate safety-related actions.
Honda another maker traditionally associated with trouble-free products, has faced its share of problems in recent years, though the vast bulk of those have been related to a narrow set of problems, notably airbag defects and a faulty transmission control module.
Even some of the smallest makers can be found on NHTSA’s recall list, including Maserati, which had to service 760 of its sports cars, and Rolls-Royce, which had to replace a faulty circuit board on 600 of its small Ghost sedans that could overheat and cause a fire

[kelly andersen]

I had a brand new fusion and it was in the shop more in the first six months than my toyota has in 6 years. No offense taken, it all comes down to personal preference, they all have good and bad stuff. If I was rich,I'd drive a peterbilt LOL

[Z28SSMAN]

You're right, Kelly, each manufacturer has problems.
A friend of mine bought his wife a new Sienna a few years ago due to his wife falling for Toyota's image of dependability. When he stopped by with it, I kinda gave him the puzzled look as to why he'd actually want to be seen in a Toyota, since we grew up owning and racing GM's.
He said it was a mistake because he'd had 3 radiators replaced and Toyota didn't have an answer why. One was covered under warranty, the others he paid for out of pocket. He said he could have bought two GM vans for what he paid for the Sienna (over $42k). He had numerous other problems including Toyota wanted to charge him $800 to repair his failed heated seats. I told him to take it over to ARC and get it done for 1/3 that price. The bottom line is that he learned his lesson and wouldn't buy another one.

While I don't think GM has ever been in the full size van market, my brother has a Venture with over 200k and it still runs like a clock. His previous van (a Windstar) was shot after 130K.

My point is this...Toyota is a great MARKETING company. The Corolla is really the only vehicle they have which has a solid track record (if you like small cars--and I don't). The Camry, which has been number 1 in sales in its class in the US is no more dependale than other car in its class. The Accord is a better car, but people continue to buy the Camry due to the image Toyota has branded it with as being more dependable than any competitor.

[shagwag]

I have had 2 Camry s that were awesome. The odometer stopped working at 290000 on one of them and I drove it for 2 more years after that. The only reason I junked it was because my neighbor shot out the back window with a bb gun.

[Titan5]

I have never owned a foreign car and never will, I have had the "Toyota Owners Expierience" with every American Made Vehicle that I have ever owned and I see no reason to change now.

To each his own, I agree.

JMHO,
The worst part of buying all these foreign cars is it only makes our economy weaker, the money spent on them does not stay here in this country, it goes over seas to make them and their countries economies stronger, I know the argument that :"Toyotas are built here", and yes some are but, the company that runs the show is in Japan, (Germany, Korea, and so on) they let some money stay here to pay their labor force and take the rest home with them, some who work for them here in the US purchase thier vehicles and then more money leaves for its trip over seas.

The only way we can fix our problems here is to get our manufacturing back, we need to stop following and start leading, we can build cars better than anybody, anywhere, we just need to say YES to AMERICAN made, and keep the $$$$$$$ here ! ! !

O.K. I'll stop. . .

:smile tease: T5

[Z28SSMAN]

Well said.

[Guest]

This thread was a disappointment. From reading the title I expected to see Toyotas on fire and instead see nothing but talk.

[Z28SSMAN]

Yeah some numbnutz guy posted this crap

[98 cobra s/c]

some numbnuts??? This is glenn's job to post up toyota failings and since he can't do it properly and in a timely fashion I had to do it. Glenn is just getting old and slow and has dementia.

[MR.hp]

This thread was a disappointment. From reading the title I expected to see Toyotas on fire and instead see nothing but talk.

You bring us a toyota and we will burn it for you. :rotfl: