new purgetory members yay!

[Fast One]

MY GN has over 189,000 miles on it - unrestored. Not a single squeak or rattle - even when driving on rough roads. Exhaust leak, yes; oil leak, yes; squeaks & rattles - not a one! I've driven it ~130,000 miles so far, and it's never left me stranded, never been on a trailer, never been towed, and never needed a jump-start. It has never failed to start on the first turn of the key, and it has never failed to complete a trip of any length. Even when I was stuck in DFW rush-hour traffic for 3 hours - in record-breaking 117-degree heat, the GN never missed a beat. Hell - the coolant temp never even went above 170 F (160 F 'stat). I drove past many overheated cars, of which most were nearly two decades newer than my GN. At one point, things got so bad that I had to actually reach over & move the climate-control lever to 'Max', though...

Without question, the GN has been the most reliable, least-expensive to own car I've ever had. Oh - and I've been running 20+ pounds of boost for nearly a decade & a half.

:GM:

[Quadroflux]

Sorry I guess I didn't realize you didn't know what exaggeration was, my bad man my bad.

fight! fight! fight!

[blown 87gt]

fight! fight! fight!

I'm a lover not a fighter, plus I don't know about him but I'm not mad lol. I'm just glad some of you guys finally washed the sand and broken glass outta your vaginal openings and learned to take some friendly ribbing

[MR.hp]

I'm a lover not a fighter, plus I don't know about him but I'm not mad lol. I'm just glad some of you guys finally washed the sand and broken glass outta your vaginal openings and learned to take some friendly ribbing

Seems like moderation helped clean yours out also. Glad we can all get along.
Just some friendly ribbing of course.

[Black Cobra4.6]

I happen to think that the GN's were great cars, Pretty stupid of GM to get rid of them back then, but all the handicap old ass fucks who drove centurys would shit their pants (they do anyway) if they ever got a ride in one. Most Buicks were aimed at old people, Hope that now after the house cleaning they make some cool stuff again.

[blown 87gt]

Seems like moderation helped clean yours out also. Glad we can all get along.
Just some friendly ribbing of course.

Not really I post the same way I did before lol.

[MR.hp]

Not really I post the same way I did before lol.

Sure you do, Sure you do :lol:

[Fast One]

I happen to think that the GN's were great cars, Pretty stupid of GM to get rid of them back then, but all the handicap old ass fucks who drove centurys would shit their pants (they do anyway) if they ever got a ride in one. Most Buicks were aimed at old people, Hope that now after the house cleaning they make some cool stuff again.

I believe that Buick is back. Check out the new Regal GS. Just took car of the year in Europe. Born on the Autobahn, and tuned at Nürburgring. Turbocharged Ecotec, 6-speed manual or auto, adaptive performance AWD with electronic limited-slip, and it corners like a BMW. Sure, it's an Opel - but Opel is part of Buick.

Your comments about Buicks & those who drive them are quite amusing. I know quite a few 'old people' as you put it, who, while driving their Buicks - engines dripping with torque, get a distinct kick out of embarrassing kids with their torque-less-wonders of today. My dad always drove Buicks. There was the 401 nailhead LeSabre, the dual-quad 425 nailhead Wildcat, then the mighty LeSabre Custom 455. That was followed by a '78 Turbo Regal, which was followed by another TR in '84. He was in his 60s when he bought his first TR.

The truth is that Buick has a long history of making some wickedly-fast cars - despite their stodgy stereotype. Buick dominated the oval tracks for years with their nailhead-powered stock cars. Back in the 50s & 60s, nearly all Buick automatics (including their version of the TH400) came with a variable-stall torque converter, which turns into a hole-shot converter when you need it to, or switches to low-stall for mileage. Buick engines have nearly always been on the leading edge since Buick was designated GM's engine technology leader back in the late 50s. Before the pollution laws forced compression ratios downward, it was common to see Buick family cars with 10.25:1 compression & 790 cfm carbs. Some even had 11:1 compression factory-stock.

Guess who had the first production car engine with 1 HP/cubic inch? Yep - it was Buick back in '62, with their turbocharged 215 aluminum V8 - the worlds first production turbocharged automotive engine. It had 215 hp and 300 pounds of torque. At just 318 pounds, it is still the lightest American production V8. It raced at Indy in '62, and was the first stock-block in the race since '46. It also won the Formula One world championship in '66. It's the only American stock-block engine to ever do so. Buick started working on the aluminum 215 way back in 1950. They had a supercharged, dual-fuel version in their 1951 Le Sabre concept car. It could run on either gasoline or methanol. Even had heated seats, a rain-sensing automatic power top, and built-in jacks for changing tires: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Sabre_concept_car

Ever see a '65 Riviera GS? They came stock with a 365 HP dual-quad 425 nailhead & a variable-stall converter. Very quick and fast for their day. They could also turn corners quite well, unlike most American cars back then.

How about the '70 GS 455 Stage I - the quickest production musclecar of the old era? 420+ HP @ 5000 RPM & 510 pounds of torque @ only 2800 RPM. Ran low 13s back then, which at the time was unheard of for a production car. The dealer-installed Stage II option upped the output to a staggering 485+ HP and 520 pounds of torque. The GS 455 Stage II was scary-fast for a production car.

Can't forget the early 60s Buick Special with the aluminum 215 V8, factory turbo, and factory alcohol/water injection. 215 HP & 300 pounds of torque in a car that weighed just 2300 pounds.

Ever run a '70 Le Sabre Custom 455 with the 'plains axle' option for top-end? Right off the showroom floor, they were 155+ MPH cars. My dad had one. That car weighed nearly 5000 pounds. It turned only 2200 RPM @ 70 MPH - yet it could do 0-60 in 6 sec, and could run 14.7s in the quarter all day long. Plus, it could run @ WOT for a full 27-gal tank of premium and not even break a sweat. Remember - we're talking about a six-passenger car that could pull a 6000-pound trailer.

How about the W-body Regal GS? It was the quickest production sports-sedan available for a number of years - despite its FWD.

Buick also made some of the lightest & highest-power production V8s. For instance, at 450 pounds, Buick's small-block 350 weighs 125 pounds less than the cast-iron SBC. The performance version had 315 HP & 410 pounds of torque. At only 600 pounds, the 455 Buick shares the honors with Caddy's 500 as the lightest of the production cast-iron big-blocks. It's nearly 150 pounds lighter than a 454 Chevy. The big-block Buick has the shortest stroke of all the big-blocks. Did you know that a 455 Buick will fit nearly anywhere a SBC will fit? It is within 1.5 inches of the SBC in length, width & height.

Sure - I know that Buick also made a bunch of really boring cars - like the Century you mentioned. But so have the rest of 'em. You want grandpa-slow? Try a '61 Falcon with the 170 cid 101 HP I6 & two-speed auto. How about a I4-powered Chevy II? Or, maybe a Chevy Vega? Then, there was the Monza 2+2 and the Cavalier. Of course, there's the Ford Pinto. Don't forget the Mustang II. Or the first-gen 'tore-ass'. Mopar wasn't immune, either. K-cars, anyone?

Buick has nearly always had a viable contender in the performance market. On a number of occasions, they even managed to beat all of the competition at the game: '63 1/2 Rivera, '65 Rivera GS, '67 GS 400, '70 GS 455 Stage I/II, 87 GN/GNX, W-body Regal GS. The difference being that when Buick decides to beat the competition, they do it with a fully-optioned, luxurious car - instead of a stripped-down version.

Now that Pontiac is gone, Buick can make performance cars again without GM's internal politics getting in the way (provided that they don't beat the 'Vette again like they did with the GN). I'm betting that we'll see a return to the days when Buick muscle ruled. It will be interesting to see if they can shake the stereotype.

Joel

[blown 87gt]

Sure you do, Sure you do :lol:

I made fun of you guys before, i'm making fun of you guys now, what's changed?

[MR.hp]

I made fun of you guys before, i'm making fun of you guys now, what's changed?

orlyI am glad you have an active imagination.

[blown 87gt]

orlyI am glad you have an active imagination.

Thank you, it's almost as active as the doctors hand who has to write your viagra prescription :lol:

[Z28SSMAN]

I like the Buick info. The '57 Chev fuel injected 283 had 283 horses though.

The first generation of Chevrolet small-blocks began with the 1955 Chevrolet 265 cu in (4.3 L) V8 offered in the Corvette and Bel Air. Soon after being introduced, it quickly gained popularity among stock car racers, becoming known as the "Mighty Mouse" motor, after the popular cartoon character of the time, with the simpler "Mouse" nickname becoming much more popular as time went on.
By 1957 it had grown to 283 cu in (4.6 L). Fitted with the optional Rochester mechanical fuel injection, it became the first production engine ever to make one horsepower per cubic inch. The 283 would later be extended to other Chevrolet models, replacing the old style 265 V8s.

[MR.hp]

Thank you, it's almost as active as the doctors hand who has to write your viagra prescription :lol:

I take it just so I can stick it up your ass everyday :rlol:

[Quadroflux]

Buick engines have nearly always been on the leading edge since Buick was designated GM's engine technology leader back in the late 50s.

technology leader? what technoilogy did buick have that bested the famous small block chev? the sbc won more races than any buick. i dont see anybody putting buick engines in there hotrods. the sbc was and still is the most widely used engine not buick. if they were so technolgy filled why do people use sbc?

Guess who had the first production car engine with 1 HP/cubic inch? Yep - it was Buick back in '62, with their turbocharged 215 aluminum V8 - the worlds first production turbocharged automotive engine. It had 215 hp and 300 pounds of torque.

z28man is right. chevy had the first engine with 1hp per cubic inch and theuy did it years before buick

Ever run a '70 Le Sabre Custom 455 with the 'plains axle' option for top-end? Right off the showroom floor, they were 155+ MPH cars. My dad had one. That car weighed nearly 5000 pounds. It turned only 2200 RPM @ 70 MPH - yet it could do 0-60 in 6 sec, and could run 14.7s in the quarter all day long.

so a 5000 lb car with a crank hp of 370 wich is probably 280 at the wheels with hiway gears running 14.70 huh? wtf?

i couldnt find the lesabre but thr riviera with the same ewngine didn't run 14.70..

Comments: The 1970 Riviera saw a disasterous redesign which added rear fender skirts and the elimination of the retractable headlights. A new standard engine was introduced, a 455 cid V8, which sported 370 bhp and a whooping 510 lb-ft of torque. Despite the increase in engine performance, weight also ballooned up, resulting in slower 1/4 mile times. Sales dropped to only 37,366 copies.

Production: 37,336
Engines: 455 V8 370 bhp @ 4600 rpm, 510 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm.
Performance: 455/370: 0-60 in 7.9 sec. 1/4 mile in 17 sec.

a long way from 14.70

Buick also made some of the lightest & highest-power production V8s. For instance, at 450 pounds, Buick's small-block 350 weighs 125 pounds less than the cast-iron SBC. The performance version had 315 HP & 410 pounds of torque. At only 600 pounds, the 455 Buick shares the honors with Caddy's 500 as the lightest of the production cast-iron big-blocks. It's nearly 150 pounds lighter than a 454 Chevy. The big-block Buick has the shortest stroke of all the big-blocks. Did you know that a 455 Buick will fit nearly anywhere a SBC will fit? It is within 1.5 inches of the SBC in length, width & height.

tell us how many people are taking there chevy motors out and putting buick motors in?

Buick has nearly always had a viable contender in the performance market. On a number of occasions, they even managed to beat all of the competition at the game: '63 1/2 Rivera, '65 Rivera GS, '67 GS 400, '70 GS 455 Stage I/II, 87 GN/GNX, W-body Regal GS. The difference being that when Buick decides to beat the competition, they do it with a fully-optioned, luxurious car - instead of a stripped-down version.

1970 Buick GS Stage I 455ci. 5.5 13.3 (MT Jan '70)
As an example Car & Driver magazine around this time obtained a 13.8 second 1/4 mile time with a 1970 Chevelle SS LS6. Car Craft magazine (11/69), did however move a Chevelle SS LS6 down the 1/4 mile at a lightening quick 13.12 seconds.

Now that Pontiac is gone, Buick can make performance cars again without GM's internal politics getting in the way (provided that they don't beat the 'Vette again like they did with the GN). I'm betting that we'll see a return to the days when Buick muscle ruled. It will be interesting to see if they can shake the stereotype.

Buick muscle ruled? wtf?

[Fast One]

technology leader? what technoilogy did buick have that bested the famous small block chev? the sbc won more races than any buick. i dont see anybody putting buick engines in there hotrods. the sbc was and still is the most widely used engine not buick. if they were so technolgy filled why do people use sbc?



z28man is right. chevy had the first engine with 1hp per cubic inch and theuy did it years before buick



so a 5000 lb car with a crank hp of 370 wich is probably 280 at the wheels with hiway gears running 14.70 huh? wtf?

i couldnt find the lesabre but thr riviera with the same ewngine didn't run 14.70..

Comments: The 1970 Riviera saw a disasterous redesign which added rear fender skirts and the elimination of the retractable headlights. A new standard engine was introduced, a 455 cid V8, which sported 370 bhp and a whooping 510 lb-ft of torque. Despite the increase in engine performance, weight also ballooned up, resulting in slower 1/4 mile times. Sales dropped to only 37,366 copies.

Production: 37,336
Engines: 455 V8 370 bhp @ 4600 rpm, 510 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm.
Performance: 455/370: 0-60 in 7.9 sec. 1/4 mile in 17 sec.

a long way from 14.70



tell us how many people are taking there chevy motors out and putting buick motors in?



1970 Buick GS Stage I 455ci. 5.5 13.3 (MT Jan '70)
As an example Car & Driver magazine around this time obtained a 13.8 second 1/4 mile time with a 1970 Chevelle SS LS6. Car Craft magazine (11/69), did however move a Chevelle SS LS6 down the 1/4 mile at a lightening quick 13.12 seconds.




Buick muscle ruled? wtf?

OK - the 283 was the first to make 1:1.

You say that nobody is putting Buicks in their hotrods? You must not be looking very hard. The Buick nailhead is still quite popular with those who build serious street-rods. Also - I've seen quite a few built 455s on the street over the years. I've seen GN drivelines in Camaros, Triumphs, RX-7s, Fieros, and some 40s iron - to name a few.

The main reason that more people aren't running Buick engines is quite simple. They're more expensive. The second reason is that Buick didn't make a 4-bolt main version (well...they did, but they didn't offer it to the public). However, if you build a Buick big-block, you get a much longer-lasting engine with more torque and a much broader powerband than most of the others. Plus - a Buick 455 is only 25 pounds heavier than a SBC.

The '70 Riv outweighed the Le Sabre. Secondly, it is common knowledge that the 455 Buick was considerably underrated - as were a few other engines back then. Thirdly, the times on the '70 Riv seem unusually slow. Like what you'd get if you just rolled into the throttle without power-braking. With 510 pounds of torque and a very broad powerband, the 455 could do the job. I used to race that Le Sabre, and it could run 14.7s with no problem. I only used first & second in the quarter, as the trap speed was only around 95-99 MPH, which was just above the speed where the TH400 wanted to upshift into drive.

Yes - Buick muscle ruled: Buick nailheads cleaned house in NASCAR back in the 50s. Then, there was the '63 1/2 Riv, '65 Riv GS, '70 GS 455 Stage I & Stage II, GN, GNX, and Regal GS. There you go - I named seven Buicks that ruled the streets in their respective categories. BTW - I note that you didn't include the GS 455 Stage II in your examples, which was considerably quicker than the Stage I.

Technology leader? Let's see. Fully-functional dual-fuel concept car in '51 w/supercharged aluminum V8. First production turbocharged car. First production aluminum V8. Was even used in a number of European sports-cars. Lightest cast-iron small-block and big-block. Longest-lasting American V8 engines, due to their use of high-nickel-content cast-iron. First V6 in the world. Inventor of distributor-less ignition. First production car with distributor-less ignition. First intercooled, turbocharged, tuned-port injected, production car. Quickest musclecar of the old era, quickest car in the US in '87 (even quicker than the Lamborghini). First (only?) V6 to race at Indy. First Indy engine to run 56 pounds of boost. Only American stock-block to win an F1 championship.

And - like I said - Buick makes their numbers with fully-optioned cars - not stripped-down versions.

You said that SBCs have won more races. Of course, they also were made in greater numbers than many other engines, so this would be expected.

Joel